I wasn't going to MAC to get Fascinating liner for $14. I tried the Black Opal, ew. I tried the NYC liner, the same type that I like in black... a no go. I messed around and bought Styli Styles' Buenos Aires that appeared to be a pearl white from the packaging, but it ended up being a pearl silver. Gah. Man, a good white, waterproof, pigmented white liner shouldn't be so hard to find. It wasn't. It was in my bag of cosmetics of The No Return- a single white liner by Wet N Wild, never used. Damn! It was right her under my nose all of this time. Not waterproof, but definitely pigmented enough to suit my needs.(Forgive me, this is after a full day, the gym and all. And, lol, I will start wearing another head band. I need my hair twisted again for goodness' sake!) Stark white liner struck me as unnatural before, but I think I found a way to make this work. I used black mascara on my bottom lashes, making some color to counter the brightness. Next time I'll use an eyeshadow.